bigkurka
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Post by bigkurka on Sept 16, 2018 19:37:03 GMT -7
Hello everyone, been reading on the forum now for about a year and now I finally bought a brand new 2018 mt10.
Question 1 the bike had like 1 mile on it when I bought it. From the moment I rode it home I notice there is a pretty loud whine when I shift it to 6th gear only. It will decrease when let off the throttle and it get louder the more you roll on the throttle. Wondering if that's a normal noise. Any thoughts??? Question 2 I've read on here and some other forums that the mt10 shifting is super smooth, but to me it seems rather rough. Is this normal during the break in time??? I've come from riding a Harley if that matters.
Last question Looking for a decent quality half cover for my bike when I go to work. My work can get pretty dusty and we have to park in the sun.
Thanks in advance. Bigkurka
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 20:04:17 GMT -7
Oh man, that doesn't sound right to me. I'm picking up mine on Tuesday. It should also have about 1 mile, since dealer told me they have never started it, or put fuel on it (like I wanted). But they'll have to put a few more miles after they fire it up, as part of their PDI. I also told them to trickle charge the battery to 100% before installing it, and supposedly they obliged. They're going to put it and fire it up until I get there (I hope). At any rate, where I can test ride the bike is only a small stretch of street. Doubt I'd be able to shift to 6th, but will try, even if it's at a very low rpm, just to make sure it doesn't have what you're describing. Will also tell the tech, since they can ride farther away. Maybe it's 'normal', but that has never been the case in the dozens of new bikes I've bought over the decades (56 here). The only Yamaha I had before this one was an FJR, but back in 2003, if memory serves me right. It was about midpack in shifting, with the Suzukis being the best by far, and Hondas the worst (lots of false neutrals too). Will try to read answers here before picking it up. If it's normal, I want to know too, so I don't refuse to buy a good bike. Just hope it's not too loud to hear over wind and road noise, which it shouldn't. Forgot to say mine is a 2017, so yours should be better than mine. Curious about the explanation. Take care.
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Post by ikranmakto on Sept 16, 2018 20:35:20 GMT -7
Hi bigkurka That sound you are hearing is normal and characteristic for this bike, you will notice it when you change up into the higher gears unless you are under heavy throttle, the bike will make a 'whining sound' which almost sounds electric. If you bought the bike with the stock exhaust it is also a lot quieter in that gear range as the exup butterfly valve is not fully open which gives the MT10 cross plane motor that throaty sound. I'm not even gonna open that can of worms about after market exhausts in your initial question, but let me say that coming from a Harley Davidson you will have noticed the difference in exhaust noise due to the catalytic converter. As for the shifting, like all things new they need time to be worn in, especially if you are getting used to a quick shifter. Like any new bike there are things that will feel different from what you have been used to. Not sure what part of the world you are in but as for bike covers you can find these anywhere to suit the MT/FZ10 Enjoy the new ride it is one awesome piece of machinery.
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Post by evitzee on Sept 16, 2018 21:42:51 GMT -7
Have never heard any 'whining' sound in almost two years of riding. Sounds like it could be a chain that is a bit tight or misadjusted. That's easy to check out.
Have had many Yamahas (Seca II, YZF 600R, FJR 1300, FZ6, FZ1 and the FZ-10) and I will say the FZ-10's transmission is about the smoothest of the lot. Part of it is due to the slipper clutch but the transmission shifts very smoothly, no false neutrals and easy to find neutral. No complaints.
Ride it and put a few miles on it, you may just not be used to the bike coming from an HD.
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Post by ikranmakto on Sept 17, 2018 5:05:33 GMT -7
Have never heard any 'whining' sound in almost two years of riding. Sounds like it could be a chain that is a bit tight or misadjusted. That's easy to check out. Have had many Yamahas (Seca II, YZF 600R, FJR 1300, FZ6, FZ1 and the FZ-10) and I will say the FZ-10's transmission is about the smoothest of the lot. Part of it is due to the slipper clutch but the transmission shifts very smoothly, no false neutrals and easy to find neutral. No complaints. Ride it and put a few miles on it, you may just not be used to the bike coming from an HD. My bike has 10,000 k's and has been faultless, but it still makes this sound when kicked into higher gears like 4th 5th and 6th at lower revs with the stock exhaust system, but when you open the throttle you get that eargasmic CP4 throaty sound. I still stick by the statement evitzee that this is an inherent sound made by the MT10 cross plane motor and is normal. I've also owned and have ridden many motorcycles in my 40+ years of being on two wheels. If it was an issue with the chain tension or alignment it wouldn't be happening in sixth gear only, you would hear it when you accelerated through all gears.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 8:11:09 GMT -7
After my 600 mile oil change the shifting became so butter smooth it practically falls in/out of gear, LOL.
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Post by daveinwoodland on Sept 17, 2018 9:41:32 GMT -7
Have to agree with the statements made on the "whining" noise. I would look at a chain first. On the topic of the transmission I also agree that with some miles and after the first service things smooth out a bit but that also could be that we just get used to it as well. I think in a couple of months time you'll forget about anything you're perceiving at the moment. Best bike I've owned in over fourty years.
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Post by scuba77 on Sept 17, 2018 10:41:50 GMT -7
My FZ10 changes the way it sounds depending on the helmet I wear...or not wearing. So what the helmet allows you to hear may be something to think about too.
As far as your chain, check it both when cold and hot, you may see more difference than you may think. It may look good cold but may be way tight when it gets hot.
Have a blast breakin' her in!
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Post by fastback89 on Sept 17, 2018 16:00:11 GMT -7
Mine has around 3500 miles on it and I still don't like the way it shifts, just got lucky I guess
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Post by falcodave on Sept 17, 2018 17:09:56 GMT -7
Just hit 4000 miles, recent oil change. Up until this oil change, missed more 1st/2nd shifts than any bike I’ve owned. Now, smoothest shifting ever. Go figure - just needed some miles, and easily the most fun machine I’ve had.
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Post by bigkurka on Sept 17, 2018 20:46:05 GMT -7
Hi there everyone, thanks for the replies. I got to say the more I ride my bike the more I love it. The whining noise I'm hearing reminds me of straight cut gears. I was kinds thinking it was normal just wanted to verify with some other mt10 owners. So thankyou for that.
I don't think the whining noise is coming from the chain. My reasoning for saying this is because I only hear it in 6th gear at around 45 mph cruising on up to approx. 55 mph. After that the wind and exhaust noise start to cover it up.
I can't wait until I'm done breaking her in. I have about 85 miles on it now. I want to open her up to see what she can do. I know its going to be fun.
Thanks again everyone for replies and input. I greatly appreciate it
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Post by bigkurka on Sept 17, 2018 20:49:38 GMT -7
Since I'm asking about noises I do have one other question. What is the tapping rattle type noise in the motor when its cold. I was told by someone who had a 2017 R1 and said its a normal noise coming from the timing chain. Is that right? Thanks again everyone Bigkurka
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Post by achrista on Sept 17, 2018 21:30:48 GMT -7
Yamaha tick is allegedly from the auto cam chain tensioner. I had it on my r6 but I don't notice it on the mt10 with 4500 miles. Some people have 'solved' the problem with a manual CCT. Others have said the manual CCT doesn't solve the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 17:45:31 GMT -7
Got the bike today . And it had ZERO miles, so nobody rode it. No suspicion of a tech messing a shift or something. Zero issues with the 'whining'... but have a question about an issue I didn't like. Bike shudders badly when starting with mild throttle and mild rpm. I initially feared the clutch was chattering, but remembered bike had 0 miles, so it couldn't be shot from the factory. Released the clutch, and as expected, bike shudders with clutch out too. And it's in 1st and 2nd, and I'm sure on any other gear with low rpm. My first and most important question is this: IS THIS NORMAL? If yes, is there any solution other than starting with heavy throttle/rpm (which result in no chatter)? My guess is the main culprit is a light flywheel, coupled with tall gearing and short stroke, but would like to hear other opinions. Thnaks gang.
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Post by pd on Sept 18, 2018 19:52:04 GMT -7
Got the bike today . And it had ZERO miles, so nobody rode it. No suspicion of a tech messing a shift or something. Zero issues with the 'whining'... but have a question about an issue I didn't like. Bike shudders badly when starting with mild throttle and mild rpm. I initially feared the clutch was chattering, but remembered bike had 0 miles, so it couldn't be shot from the factory. Released the clutch, and as expected, bike shudders with clutch out too. And it's in 1st and 2nd, and I'm sure on any other gear with low rpm. My first and most important question is this: IS THIS NORMAL? If yes, is there any solution other than starting with heavy throttle/rpm (which result in no chatter)? My guess is the main culprit is a light flywheel, coupled with tall gearing and short stroke, but would like to hear other opinions. Thnaks gang. Make sure clutch has some free play at the lever. Mine shuddered for a few hundred miles, giving it more gas and a quicker clutch release eliminates the issue. The first oil change to remove the break in oil does wonders for all of the issues listed, trans shifting, clutch take up and odd noises. My 2018 MT-10 turned 4000 miles with 3 oil changes of Yamalube 15W-50 full syn. Trans is smooth as silk, even the quickshift into third has no more notchy feel.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 23:15:16 GMT -7
Thanks brother. Glad to know it’s the nature of the beast. Will work at minimizing it, and adjust free play if necessary. Take care
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Post by scuba77 on Sept 19, 2018 5:16:28 GMT -7
I don't think the whining noise is coming from the chain. My reasoning for saying this is because I only hear it in 6th gear at around 45 mph cruising on up to approx. 55 mph. After that the wind and exhaust noise start to cover it up. 45mph is a bit low for 6th gear and depending on terrain it could dog the engine a bit. The bike is so light and has the HP to move it pretty much anywhere though
As a couple of dealers have told me, do the break-in but be safe and follow the traffic speed patterns and as long as you don't go over the RPM for a long period of time you should be good.
I asked since traffic on I-95 is usually at least 80mph and US-1 is not too much slower in the area.
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Post by evitzee on Sept 19, 2018 12:42:41 GMT -7
Got the bike today . And it had ZERO miles, so nobody rode it. No suspicion of a tech messing a shift or something. Zero issues with the 'whining'... but have a question about an issue I didn't like. Bike shudders badly when starting with mild throttle and mild rpm. I initially feared the clutch was chattering, but remembered bike had 0 miles, so it couldn't be shot from the factory. Released the clutch, and as expected, bike shudders with clutch out too. And it's in 1st and 2nd, and I'm sure on any other gear with low rpm. My first and most important question is this: IS THIS NORMAL? If yes, is there any solution other than starting with heavy throttle/rpm (which result in no chatter)? My guess is the main culprit is a light flywheel, coupled with tall gearing and short stroke, but would like to hear other opinions. Thnaks gang. I think what you are feeling is the effect of the cross plane crankshaft, there is a bit of a shudder when throttle is applied, but the nature of the cross plane is it acts somewhat like a v-twin at lower rpm's and a in-line four at higher rpms. I don't think your clutch is chattering, it's the engine doing it's thing. It definitely feels different than an regular in-line four. But that's the charm of this engine.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2018 14:45:46 GMT -7
Engine is awesome indeed. Super smooth compared to my myriad of previous I-4s. As I mentioned, I knew it wasn’t the clutch right away, since it chatters with it released. I can get used to it, and am sure break-in will make it better. Thanks brother.
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Post by bigkurka on Sept 19, 2018 22:10:42 GMT -7
Yamaha tick is allegedly from the auto cam chain tensioner. I had it on my r6 but I don't notice it on the mt10 with 4500 miles. Some people have 'solved' the problem with a manual CCT. Others have said the manual CCT doesn't solve the problem. Hi there achrista, I wouldn't call the tapping rattle noise a tick noise by any means. The noise is kinda strange. When I do a cold start the noise is not there but after about a minute or two you start to hear it and it get pretty loud. Ride the bike for a couple of miles and the tapping noise is basically gone. Very strange, it reminds me of a loose rocker arm on an old v8 engine. I'm not to worried about it since the bike is under warranty and I purchased the extended warranty also for 5 years. It can be a little embarrassing though because while its making the tapping noise I know people can hear when I'm at a red light sitting next to them. I can't wait until I get louder exhaust. Thanks for the replies, I do appreciate them
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