fastback89
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Post by fastback89 on Jul 28, 2018 18:18:39 GMT -7
I've been curious if there would be any benefit having ECU reflash on a totally stock bike. I've been quite pleased with the performance of my 17, but don't want to miss out on the missing 10 horsepower that everyone talks about. My concern is loss of fuel mileage, with removing O2 sensors and the exhaust valve. Can't I get the extra power and leave every thing else alone?
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chuckthebarber
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Post by chuckthebarber on Jul 29, 2018 3:27:25 GMT -7
I contacted 2wdw with a similar question. I wanted to know if I get ECU Flash before the break-in period(while100% stock) would it be safe. I was told yes. actually now planning out at the optimized fuel and ignition timing would actually help my break in process. IMO with the fuel and ignition timing optimized that means gains will be seen. fz10.org/thread/1770/151hp-stock-exhaust-flash-available Give them a call, or shoot them an email they will respond. Heck, I sent an email one Saturday night because it was on my mind with expectations of a response the following Monday. Woke up Sunday morning to a response.
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fastback89
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Post by fastback89 on Jul 29, 2018 4:12:26 GMT -7
Thanks, I'll see what they say
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Post by nmerique on Aug 14, 2018 15:42:11 GMT -7
I can tell you guys that as far as a flash....I didnt lose any fuel economy. My bike has 100% throttle vs 85% from the factory. Top speed is now 170mph vs 145 mph. I also get more top speed per gear...I believe I'm at 82mph in 1st gear. I still get 38mpg on a truly flat road with s slight twist of the throttle...down hill I'm 40+. Sports Bike Unlimited did mine. Only cost me $200. Excellent performance....night and day difference. Definitely worth it.
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fastback89
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Post by fastback89 on Aug 14, 2018 17:28:14 GMT -7
I can tell you guys that as far as a flash....I didnt lose any fuel economy. My bike has 100% throttle vs 85% from the factory. Top speed is now 170mph vs 145 mph. I also get more top speed per gear...I believe I'm at 82mph in 1st gear. I still get 38mpg on a truly flat road with s slight twist of the throttle...down hill I'm 40+. Sports Bike Unlimited did mine. Only cost me $200. Excellent performance....night and day difference. Definitely worth it. What all is done to yours? Do you still have all the stock stuff?
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Post by papawheelie on Aug 14, 2018 18:53:18 GMT -7
I can tell you guys that as far as a flash....I didnt lose any fuel economy. My bike has 100% throttle vs 85% from the factory. Top speed is now 170mph vs 145 mph. I also get more top speed per gear...I believe I'm at 82mph in 1st gear. I still get 38mpg on a truly flat road with s slight twist of the throttle...down hill I'm 40+. Sports Bike Unlimited did mine. Only cost me $200. Excellent performance....night and day difference. Definitely worth it. Have you done 170 mph on this bike?! That must seem so seriously scary-fast on a bike with no fairings or other wind/turbulence protection!
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nmerique
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Post by nmerique on Aug 14, 2018 21:11:15 GMT -7
I can tell you guys that as far as a flash....I didnt lose any fuel economy. My bike has 100% throttle vs 85% from the factory. Top speed is now 170mph vs 145 mph. I also get more top speed per gear...I believe I'm at 82mph in 1st gear. I still get 38mpg on a truly flat road with s slight twist of the throttle...down hill I'm 40+. Sports Bike Unlimited did mine. Only cost me $200. Excellent performance....night and day difference. Definitely worth it. What all is done to yours? Do you still have all the stock stuff? The only things I have done to my bike is sliders, Coffman exhaust, fender eliminator, and racing rear sets...basically made it a track bike. Even stock it's well worth the money to get that extra torque.
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nmerique
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Post by nmerique on Aug 14, 2018 21:13:50 GMT -7
I can tell you guys that as far as a flash....I didnt lose any fuel economy. My bike has 100% throttle vs 85% from the factory. Top speed is now 170mph vs 145 mph. I also get more top speed per gear...I believe I'm at 82mph in 1st gear. I still get 38mpg on a truly flat road with s slight twist of the throttle...down hill I'm 40+. Sports Bike Unlimited did mine. Only cost me $200. Excellent performance....night and day difference. Definitely worth it. Have you done 170 mph on this bike?! That must seem so seriously scary-fast on a bike with no fairings or other wind/turbulence protection! Yes I have....a few times actually....not trying to blow smoke up your rear end....I honestly thought it was pretty smooth. The bike will do it no problem because it is well balanced. It actually feels like it's made for that. I would put my head down against the fuel tank to be more aerodynamic but it gets to 170 stupidly fast....under a minute.
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Post by evitzee on Aug 15, 2018 18:34:37 GMT -7
I also get more top speed per gear...I believe I'm at 82mph in 1st gear. . Unless you changed sprockets you can't get more top speed per gear, the speed/rpm relationship for any particular gear is fixed and is independent of power. The rpm's of the crankshaft are fed through the transmission where the front sprocket meshes with the chain, which turns the rear sprocket and the rear wheel. If you hit redline in first gear with a bone stock engine, or with a flashed engine, the speed will be the same.
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owle
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Post by owle on Aug 16, 2018 0:20:57 GMT -7
If you hit redline in first gear with a bone stock engine, or with a flashed engine, the speed will be the same. One of the options i was given when having my ECU flashed was to have the redline limit raised, i chose to increase it 750 rpm.
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Post by latte on Aug 16, 2018 5:34:46 GMT -7
Did you go through 2WDW? I believe the bike will do 162-163 indicated at redline 6th gear with their flash which is stock RPMs.
2WDW 151hp stock exhaust flash is pretty great. The newfound torque and throttle response is well worth the money. I’ve had a couple decat exhausts and aside from sounding sweet, the performance between the two flashed are neglible imo.
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Post by owle on Aug 16, 2018 8:03:39 GMT -7
Did you go through 2WDW? I believe the bike will do 162-163 indicated at redline 6th gear with their flash which is stock RPMs. 2WDW 151hp stock exhaust flash is pretty great. The newfound torque and throttle response is well worth the money. I’ve had a couple decat exhausts and aside from sounding sweet, the performance between the two flashed are neglible imo. Hi, if your question is to me, no i'm in the Uk, i had it set up on a dyno, the guy used Woolich software, i wouldn't know how fast it is through each gear as i i'm holding on for dear life with my eyes fixed on the horizon.
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Post by dertymt on Aug 17, 2018 23:51:56 GMT -7
Yeh it's definitely worth it. I had my Mt on the dyno for hours getting a custom map made. Stock bike made 154hp and after the custom map it makes 162.something. Went from 79 lbs of torque to 84. Also became smoother with throttle, runs cooler and seems to use a tiny bit less fuel somehow. Got rid of the o2 sensors, the ais system, power and top speed limiters, etc. With a full exhaust and air filter they say I'd be able to hit 170 but no point imo. So yeh definitely worth it even with a stock bike.
Oh and those figures are at the rear wheel.
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Post by rracerfz10 on Mar 22, 2020 21:09:00 GMT -7
I don’t want to bug Nate if I can find out here. Does the 2WDW flash remove the top speed limiter on the FZ-10? I read it was governed at 135mph which is pitiful. My old SV650 would do 130!
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Post by dkim213 on Mar 22, 2020 21:35:44 GMT -7
I don’t want to bug Nate if I can find out here. Does the 2WDW flash remove the top speed limiter on the FZ-10? I read it was governed at 135mph which is pitiful. My old SV650 would do 130! It must have because I’ve hit the low 150s (indicated) and my bike was flashed by them.
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Post by rracerfz10 on Mar 22, 2020 21:44:15 GMT -7
That’s what I was hoping to hear. It says something about removing gear based restrictions on their site but I wasn’t sure if that meant a top speed governed was removed too. I know on like the old Busa after the “gentleman’s agreement” you had to actually go in and cut a wire.
Is it just me or does an indicated 150 still seem kind of low for this engine? I know it’s a brick as far as aerodynamics go but I would think it would be a bit higher.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 12:07:18 GMT -7
Does the 2WDW flash remove the top speed limiter on the FZ-10? I don't think US bikes are limited to 135. I got mine to around that, and I'm not interested in going any higher (or flashing the ECU), but just curious if that's really the case or not. What is known is our bikes are redline (gearing) limited to around 160 indicated.
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Post by spitfireorca on Apr 9, 2020 9:55:22 GMT -7
I have a stock MT10, except for a slip on Leo exhaust. I’m local to 2WDW and had it flashed recently with the exup mod and O2 sensors removed. I feel like I’ve lost nothing and only gained. Smoother throttle, just all around better.
I’ve already done a few hundreds miles post flash and my MPG has stayed about the same. If that’s your main concern, I wouldn’t worry about it. As for the top speed limiter, I’m in line with the other riders above, I’ve gotten her to 135-140 and have no intention of going faster. It’s just not a priority (and over 110 I feel like I’m getting thrown off the MT into a black hole).
If our ramblings haven’t answered your questions, just shoot 2WDW an email. You’re not bugging them. They are setting the standard in the business for a reason, customer service.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2020 9:52:47 GMT -7
My FZ-10 is stock except for the muffler removed and replaced with a black tip. I still have the cat and all sensors.
Just bought a 2wd2 tune yesterday and shipped my ECU off. Looking forward to getting it back and will report my impressions!!
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2020 6:40:10 GMT -7
So I've been on a few rides now with my 2wdw tune now and so far I am loving it.
Throttle is smoother and not as abrupt. More power. Shifting is much smoother using the throttle chop quickshift method.
Overall I am very happy with the results.
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