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Post by kratosfz10 on Feb 17, 2018 9:23:29 GMT -7
I came across this target afr table when I was watching some videos on the FTecu Active Tune. Then after some further searching, I came across the same thing in an R1 forum, this is the standard AFR map that Flash Tune sends with their kit for the 15-17 R1. These target afr values got pretty high praise on that forum. www.r1-forum.com/forums/409-yamaha-r1-r1m-tech-performance-chat/579114-ftecu-activetune-questions-thoughts.htmlI put these values in my target afr table for my PCV w/Autotune, which was a fair amount more lean than these values. Can't wait till the weather tuns nice so I can test. These values should be a good starting point and could be used regardless of the fuel management autotune system you have, just make sure you pay attention to the throttle position columns and rpm rows, as they may not be a direct copy-over.  |
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Post by boosted7 on Jul 19, 2020 15:03:28 GMT -7
How did these target AFR's work out for you? I just picked up my 17 FZ10 that came with a PCV and autotune. Looking at the map mine came loaded with it was a base stock map with some enrichment in the higher rpm(Bike is decatted). Auto tune was disabled as well. I've loaded the PCV decat map and I'm going to generate that AFR target map from the picture you've posted if it worked well for you.
Once the USA/Can border opens up I'm going to go for a reflash at 2wdw, but in the meantime I'd like to make due with what I have.
Thanks
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Post by ghostdriver22 on Oct 27, 2020 10:53:23 GMT -7
I came across this target afr table when I was watching some videos on the FTecu Active Tune. Then after some further searching, I came across the same thing in an R1 forum, this is the standard AFR map that Flash Tune sends with their kit for the 15-17 R1. These target afr values got pretty high praise on that forum. www.r1-forum.com/forums/409-yamaha-r1-r1m-tech-performance-chat/579114-ftecu-activetune-questions-thoughts.htmlI put these values in my target afr table for my PCV w/Autotune, which was a fair amount more lean than these values. Can't wait till the weather tuns nice so I can test. These values should be a good starting point and could be used regardless of the fuel management autotune system you have, just make sure you pay attention to the throttle position columns and rpm rows, as they may not be a direct copy-over. 13?! Didnt realize it was so lean...any why arnt the idle targets 14.7... |
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Post by kratosfz10 on Oct 27, 2020 11:28:11 GMT -7
How did these target AFR's work out for you? I just picked up my 17 FZ10 that came with a PCV and autotune. Looking at the map mine came loaded with it was a base stock map with some enrichment in the higher rpm(Bike is decatted). Auto tune was disabled as well. I've loaded the PCV decat map and I'm going to generate that AFR target map from the picture you've posted if it worked well for you. Once the USA/Can border opens up I'm going to go for a reflash at 2wdw, but in the meantime I'd like to make due with what I have. Thanks Sorry for the late response, I didn't even see that anyone replied to this until now. The PCV with Autotune didn't work out very well, was ok for WOT and steady state cruise, but any other area where the throttle is constantly moving didn't work well. Quickly became apparent that you need a dyno even with an autotune kit if you want to be able to tune for all the possible throttle/rpm positions, not just WOT and cruise. I ended up just getting the ECU flashed by 2Wheel. |
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Post by kratosfz10 on Oct 27, 2020 11:34:12 GMT -7
I came across this target afr table when I was watching some videos on the FTecu Active Tune. Then after some further searching, I came across the same thing in an R1 forum, this is the standard AFR map that Flash Tune sends with their kit for the 15-17 R1. These target afr values got pretty high praise on that forum. www.r1-forum.com/forums/409-yamaha-r1-r1m-tech-performance-chat/579114-ftecu-activetune-questions-thoughts.htmlI put these values in my target afr table for my PCV w/Autotune, which was a fair amount more lean than these values. Can't wait till the weather tuns nice so I can test. These values should be a good starting point and could be used regardless of the fuel management autotune system you have, just make sure you pay attention to the throttle position columns and rpm rows, as they may not be a direct copy-over. 13?! Didnt realize it was so lean...any why arnt the idle targets 14.7... 13 isn't really lean, from the info I've gathered across other sites and different bikes, 12.8 is a good target for optimum power (on a stock bike with basic bolt-on mods). Really shouldn't even have target values in the idle area, you would want to add to or subtract from the static values . You would want the idle to be as lean as it can be and still be safe, but not so lean that the bike won't stay running when cold. 14.7 is the perfect mixture for a complete burn, but may not be the perfect mixture for your bike to idle properly/smoothly. |
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Post by willl84 on Oct 27, 2020 18:30:14 GMT -7
13 is on the rich side of perfect (perfect being 14.7). I've also heard numerous issues with the autotune and the FZ/MT ECO mode wreaking havoc with each other.
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Post by kratosfz10 on Oct 28, 2020 6:03:07 GMT -7
13 is on the rich side of perfect (perfect being 14.7). I've also heard numerous issues with the autotune and the FZ/MT ECO mode wreaking havoc with each other. I don't believe ECO "mode" is an active system, the light comes on to let you know you are riding economically, but nothing more. |
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Post by willl84 on Oct 28, 2020 7:28:53 GMT -7
13 is on the rich side of perfect (perfect being 14.7). I've also heard numerous issues with the autotune and the FZ/MT ECO mode wreaking havoc with each other. I don't believe ECO "mode" is an active system, the light comes on to let you know you are riding economically, but nothing more. There was a post here from someone claiming that the ECO mode was causing problem with the autotune. and they ended upg etting rid of the PCV and just got a regular ECU flash Here's the one I saw: fz10.org/thread/3507/oxygen-sensor-removal |
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Post by kratosfz10 on Oct 28, 2020 8:12:05 GMT -7
I don't believe ECO "mode" is an active system, the light comes on to let you know you are riding economically, but nothing more. There was a post here from someone claiming that the ECO mode was causing problem with the autotune. and they ended upg etting rid of the PCV and just got a regular ECU flash Here's the one I saw: fz10.org/thread/3507/oxygen-sensor-removalLooks more like he was having issues in the closed-loop portion of the fuel map and maybe assumed it was the ECO mode due to the ECO light coming on when you're in that range. This is where the ECU flash comes into play, the O2 sensor can be disabled so there is no closed-loop, allowing the modification of the fuel in that area. Without an ECU flash, you're stuck with the closed-loop system making decisions for you and/or possibly getting some sort of plug to fool the system into making it more rich in that area. On a side note, if the Power Commander had the closed-loop area "grayed out" so you couldn't make any changes, even if you get your ECU flashed to just remove restrictions and disable the O2 sensor, you would not be able to adjust the fuel in that area due to the limitation of the Power Commander itself, as it won't "know" the closed-loop system is no longer active. Not sure if DynoJet would be able to give you a download to "unlock" that area if you told them you had your ECU flashed and the closed-loop system is disabled. |
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Post by willl84 on Oct 28, 2020 8:24:44 GMT -7
There was a post here from someone claiming that the ECO mode was causing problem with the autotune. and they ended upg etting rid of the PCV and just got a regular ECU flash Here's the one I saw: fz10.org/thread/3507/oxygen-sensor-removalLooks more like he was having issues in the closed-loop portion of the fuel map and maybe assumed it was the ECO mode due to the ECO light coming on when you're in that range. This is where the ECU flash comes into play, the O2 sensor can be disabled so there is no closed-loop, allowing the modification of the fuel in that area. Without an ECU flash, you're stuck with the closed-loop system making decisions for you and/or possibly getting some sort of plug to fool the system into making it more rich in that area. On a side note, if the Power Commander had the closed-loop area "grayed out" so you couldn't make any changes, even if you get your ECU flashed to just remove restrictions and disable the O2 sensor, you would not be able to adjust the fuel in that area due to the limitation of the Power Commander itself, as it won't "know" the closed-loop system is no longer active. Not sure if DynoJet would be able to give you a download to "unlock" that area if you told them you had your ECU flashed and the closed-loop system is disabled. Well that makes perfect sense then. So the ECO indicator is more of a "look you're saving fuel!" dummy light lol. Too bad it's not a standalone light that I could just disable. |
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Post by kratosfz10 on Oct 28, 2020 10:28:43 GMT -7
Yea, on my truck, I can enable/disable the ECO indicator.
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