jonnyrotton
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Post by jonnyrotton on Feb 6, 2018 18:03:05 GMT -7
I was hoping someone knew where the ignition switch wire and kill switch/start wire connections are located? I'm not certain but it looks like the kill switch wire is maybe under the right side cover on the bike and the ignition switch wire looks like it goes into the dash area, then who knows. Reason I ask is because I'm thinking of installing the digital guard dawg keyless ignition and I don't believe they have a plug and play for the fz-10 as of yet. So I know those are the wires i would have to deal with.
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Post by RedAndBlack on Feb 7, 2018 17:18:51 GMT -7
You might be right. I remember there was a bunch of wiring under there when I had had to take them apart to install block off plates.
You could consult the wiring harness diagrams in the service manual if nobody else comes up with any input.
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jonnyrotton
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Post by jonnyrotton on Feb 7, 2018 18:40:23 GMT -7
Was hoping a wiring guru would answer. Unfortunately, most of us fz owners are only concerned with fender eliminators and loud exhaust. 😢
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Post by achrista on Feb 7, 2018 18:53:53 GMT -7
I am far from a guru, but I thought a bunch of wires could be used for this purpose. When I installed a Scorpio alarm on my r6 that made it so the bike would not start unless a wireless key fob was nearby, per scorpios recommendation, I cut the fuel pump wire and wired it in between. It works because the bike won't start unless the fuel pump wire registers as a continuous circuit for obvious reasons. Would this not work for your purposes? If it would, you would basically have to identify a wire that should be continuous for the bike to run, cut it, see if the bike runs before you install and complete the circuit, and then check after. If for whatever reason you don't have the right wire (i made this mistake), you will have to solder, potentially splice the wire,and then shrink wrap. That said, I'm guessing the fuel pump line would work but I'm not sure it would and I don't know which wire would be the one to cut.
I can't tell how much free space there is under the tank til I install my block off plates in the next few weeks, but one benefit of installing there is you will likely have a tidy mounting point and the trunk is quite cluttered to begin with.
I'm sure someone wiith more experience will chime in at some point.
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jonnyrotton
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Post by jonnyrotton on Feb 7, 2018 20:05:26 GMT -7
I believe there keyless ignition wiring is very specific and picky as to which wires are required.
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jonnyrotton
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Post by jonnyrotton on Feb 9, 2018 11:26:46 GMT -7
Come on, there has to be someone who is knowledgeable and familiar with the fz/Mt wire routing.
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Post by Cruizin on Feb 9, 2018 12:11:08 GMT -7
Can anyone help this guy out?
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Post by satorifz10 on Feb 9, 2018 15:30:51 GMT -7
Can anyone help this guy out? Cant, busy installing my exhaust and fender eliminator Maybe he can look in the service manual
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Post by jonnyrotton on Feb 9, 2018 22:03:44 GMT -7
Can anyone help this guy out? Cant, busy installing my exhaust and fender eliminator Maybe he can look in the service manual Already looked, it's doesn't show the routing.
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Post by satorifz10 on Feb 10, 2018 6:00:34 GMT -7
Almost done installing my loud exhaust. lol... anyways.. did u ever ask if their 2015+ R1 plug n play works with fz10??
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Post by mrcdharwood on Feb 10, 2018 8:29:06 GMT -7
Check if the R1 kit won't fit our bikes first. That will be plug and play.
If you need the universal kit then all the wiring you need will be feeding into the ECU which is under the left hand faring panel (if you can call it that) as if you were sat in the bike.
The Red and White is the ignition circuit and the Red and Blue is the fuel pump.
How does this work with the Yamaha immobiliser that sits in our keys? I imagine you'd have to disable it with an ECU flash for this device to work. Seems like a lot of ball ache to save just sticking the key in.
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Post by jonnyrotton on Feb 10, 2018 10:36:36 GMT -7
I called digital guard dawg the other day and they said they didn't think the r1 kit would work with the fz. Now I didn't think our keys had anything special in them. Seems like a regular key to me.
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Post by mrcdharwood on Feb 11, 2018 8:07:00 GMT -7
Nope. The key has a transponder in for the YISS Yamaha immobiliser. Well it does in Europe.
This stops the bike being hot wired. If your so inclined short the ignition wires and try and start your bike. I'm fairly sure it won't work.
This is why we have the Red key. This programs our bike to use the black keys as their are coded.
My alarm has remote start but this won't work unless my key is in the ignition. Kind of defeats the object of it really.
This is what I think will happen with your Gaurd dawg. You'll have to deactivate the immobiliser ECU and rely on whatever security features the Guard Dawg has.
I like the idea but it all seems a bit of a pain the ass for very little benefit. Save your cash and get a decent alarm installed with remote start. You still need to deactivate the immobiliser but you'll be installing another as part of the alarm system.
Either way you'll be looking at the cost of an ECU flash on top of the cost of any security you add outside of a basic self fit alarm.
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Post by jonnyrotton on Feb 11, 2018 21:09:56 GMT -7
I swear, Europe is 20 years ahead of America in many ways. What's crazy is with the fz-10 being the same bike as the mt-10 that we do not have the immobilizer key. My Ktm 1290 super Duke and Ducati streetfighter had them. But what's weird is, if the hardware and software are already on the Mt, how much money could Yamaha save be not giving America that feature. Well, maybe with America being behind it might work out in my favor in being able to add a keyless ignition without having to insert a key!
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Post by mrcdharwood on Feb 12, 2018 5:26:12 GMT -7
That is mad nd surprising. A security feature fitted to over half the MT10s world wide but not in the States. Why on earth not? I know it's down to cost but like you said how much are they actually saving in the grand scheme of things.
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Post by jonnyrotton on Feb 17, 2018 0:20:32 GMT -7
Damn it, I guess this is a fender eliminator and exhaust forum
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Post by papawheelie on Feb 17, 2018 12:47:41 GMT -7
From what I’ve seen, there is a whole bunch of talent and knowledge among the crew here. And, a group who is very willing to help.
I think the answer that you’ve received, is that nobody here has spent the time and money to install a remote starter.
I’ve seen some amazing work shared here, in the form of extreme performance, beautiful aesthetics, and smart ergonomics. And yes, fender eliminators and exhausts.
So, because nobody has your same interest in installing a remote starter, I don’t think that means that the whole forum must be a group ignorant doofuses who care about nothing other than fender eliminators and loud exhausts.
In fact, a few guys did take some time to reply, in an attempt to offer some ideas and insight. Might consider replying with a “thank you”.
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Post by jonnyrotton on Feb 17, 2018 18:32:55 GMT -7
I am grateful that a couple guys tried to offer suggestions, however those suggestions were not knowledge based. I have a service manual which shows the wiring diagram which does not show wire routing. So I was hoping to find the guys who are knowledge based on our bikes who could answer my question in spite of whether or not they have had an interest in my project. Usually many motorcylce forums I've been on, any questions like this I have had get answered several times over very quickly. So that is what leads me to believe with these bikes being so new and the lack of answers must prove that this forum is full of our fender eliminator and loud exhaust crowd. Which so far is proving to be the case. I could if I had to, which it looks like I'm going to have to do, tear the bike apart to follow the wires to see where the connections are. I was hoping there would be people that really knew our bikes so i didn't have to do that. But I guess we have to wait until the bikes have been out long enough to get those guys on the forum. For now Graves makes the best fz10 exhaust! 😂😂
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Post by achrista on Feb 17, 2018 19:18:24 GMT -7
If you're going to ask people for help, it's best not to act like a douche. Most people would ask, and if nobody has an answer they would figure it out (given this isn't exactly a complicated question) and post their solution for others. You for whatever reason have this sense of entitlement that leads you to believe someone else should go out of their way to solve your problem for you while you act like a tool. your attitude won't get you far in life.
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Post by jonnyrotton on Feb 17, 2018 19:43:46 GMT -7
Whatever, the Austin racing pipe is loudest. And the yoshimura fender eliminator is the best!
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