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Post by evitzee on Jul 7, 2018 17:27:38 GMT -7
Modify to your heart's content, but worthwhile to consider various possible outcomes, good and bad. That's what these forums provide, opinion and discussion.
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panzer716
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Post by panzer716 on Jul 8, 2018 9:09:50 GMT -7
Modify to your heart's content, but worthwhile to consider various possible outcomes, good and bad. That's what these forums provide, opinion and discussion. Yup. Precisely what the forums are for. I think this mod is for the people who think it looks better to them. This is an aesthetic mod for sure. And does it cut down on safety a little bit? Probably. But so does taking all the reflectors off the license plate fender and the front forks and that seems to be a common thing people do to this bike. I appreciate your opinion. That is why you would not buy this if it came out and some of us here would. It also makes our bikes diverse. I for one want auxiliary lights on my bike that can be LED floodlights so I can really light up a night road when no cars are in front of me. I can flash thise to get someone's attention if I need to.
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Post by stoltecmoto on Jul 8, 2018 19:17:22 GMT -7
Do you have a projected price? Maybe we could coordinate a group pre-order with Cruizin permission. It would be easier to have people say they'd be interested if they knew a price. Let's work on the 20 person list before we do anything. We're a vendor, so there is no need to do anything else at this time. That said, there is no way we'll get into this project before winter at the soonest. Too many other things going on.
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Post by panzer716 on Jul 8, 2018 19:29:20 GMT -7
Do you have a projected price? Maybe we could coordinate a group pre-order with Cruizin permission. It would be easier to have people say they'd be interested if they knew a price. Let's work on the 20 person list before we do anything. We're a vendor, so there is no need to do anything else at this time. That said, there is no way we'll get into this project before winter at the soonest. Too many other things going on. Well, so far I counted 5 or 6 in this thread saying they are "interested" but who knows what that actually means. I think price will be the big make or break for a lot of people with this, myself included. I am definitely interested but if it is like $800 that's a lot of money and I can't really justify spending that much. So I can tell you I'm interested but that is really subject to change once the price comes out and I feel like that would be the case for a lot of people. That's probably not a risk you guys want to take either and I don't blame you. I guess we should just leave it how it is right now and you guys will get to it when you get to it unless some overwhelming interest suddenly pops up. Thanks for your time. Looking forward to seeing what you guys make for our bikes.
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Post by clayton on Jul 8, 2018 19:36:43 GMT -7
I’m interested.
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Post by Cruizin on Jul 8, 2018 23:23:57 GMT -7
Let's work on the 20 person list before we do anything. We're a vendor, so there is no need to do anything else at this time. That said, there is no way we'll get into this project before winter at the soonest. Too many other things going on. Well, so far I counted 5 or 6 in this thread saying they are "interested" but who knows what that actually means. I think price will be the big make or break for a lot of people with this, myself included. I am definitely interested but if it is like $800 that's a lot of money and I can't really justify spending that much. So I can tell you I'm interested but that is really subject to change once the price comes out and I feel like that would be the case for a lot of people. That's probably not a risk you guys want to take either and I don't blame you. I guess we should just leave it how it is right now and you guys will get to it when you get to it unless some overwhelming interest suddenly pops up. Thanks for your time. Looking forward to seeing what you guys make for our bikes. I would say that when you are ready. come back and start a new preorder thread. Then, Ill blast it all over the Facebook groups, Reddit and a few other places that I know of. We might just surprise you and get more than 20.
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Post by stoltecmoto on Jul 9, 2018 4:35:44 GMT -7
I wouldn't do this if the price were higher than $100. The only way to be profitable on things like this is to make a very large batch (50-100 units) and amortize those costs over the life of the product. So even at 20, we're losing money in the short term. We're still waiting for the -10 to be the sales hit we had hoped for...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 5:35:27 GMT -7
I'm in on this. If it was available for a reasonable cost I'd definitely do it.
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Post by panzer716 on Jul 9, 2018 11:00:32 GMT -7
Ok. I guess later today I'll make a thread to see of there is interest. Under $100 is a good price and I think people would be on board who are interested. I will let Cruizin know when I make the thread in the Soltec Moto section on the board here so he can post it on the Facebook page, Reddit, etc. As of now I'm counting 7 or 8 people just on this thread who say they are interested. Like Cruizin said, we might be surprised and get way more then 20.
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Post by stoltecmoto on Jul 9, 2018 13:05:59 GMT -7
Feel free to make a dedicated thread...BUT...As I mentioned, the soonest we'll be able to get STARTED on this will be in the winter timeframe. Further, we're not committing to doing this if we get 20, 50, or a million. Just that we won't consider it unless there is 20+.
Sorry, not trying to give you a hard time. Just want to manage expectations, and this is low on the priority list.
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Post by xxscaxx on Jul 11, 2018 5:45:44 GMT -7
i'm also interested. Reached out to Stoltec personally a while back on this so you can count me in on the list too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 21:10:50 GMT -7
Yeah I'd be in as well!
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Post by northsouth on Jul 13, 2018 14:08:09 GMT -7
Count me in also.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2018 0:01:53 GMT -7
Personally I prefer the stock setup because if I need to get an oncoming driver's attention I can flash the high beams a couple of times with the provided switch, to me that is a safety advantage. Safety studies have consistently shown that two m/c headlights close together often confuse a car driver as it makes your vehicle look further away than it is. Drivers are on the lookout for other cars and not motorcycles so when they see two lights coming at them they immediately perceive those lights as a car further away, and then they turn right in front of the oncoming bikes path. I'd rather have one lamp burning and another at the ready to flash if needed.
Interesting perspective. Haven't thought of that before, but makes perfect sense. Now I'm happy with my weird headlight. Ha ha. Thanks for sharing it.
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Post by thefinn on Dec 13, 2018 17:18:06 GMT -7
Personally I prefer the stock setup because if I need to get an oncoming driver's attention I can flash the high beams a couple of times with the provided switch, to me that is a safety advantage. Safety studies have consistently shown that two m/c headlights close together often confuse a car driver as it makes your vehicle look further away than it is. Drivers are on the lookout for other cars and not motorcycles so when they see two lights coming at them they immediately perceive those lights as a car further away, and then they turn right in front of the oncoming bikes path. I'd rather have one lamp burning and another at the ready to flash if needed.
Interesting perspective. Haven't thought of that before, but makes perfect sense. Now I'm happy with my weird headlight. Ha ha. Thanks for sharing it. This is right. This is also the reason why you should be very careful when riding with the highbeam on. The car drivers dont see anything but two really bright lights, so they assume its a car far away with its highbeams on. Having the lights as two seperate to begin with is questionable when it comes to safety. Although two seperate look more modern, the old single style is better since its always one single light, which tells car drivers "i am a motorcycle" no matter if you have low or high beam.
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Post by stoltecmoto on Dec 13, 2018 19:36:50 GMT -7
Interesting theory. However, the truth is that there are many motorcycles with dual low beams and from any meaningful distance, the two lights merge into one bright spot for oncoming drivers. The spread between bulbs is what matters, and most motorcycles don't have enough of it. If visibility is what you're after, your best bet is to use running lights separated by as much distance as possible. It's going to be hard to get the 4-5' spread like a cage has, but every bit helps.
Now if being able to see down a dark road is what matters to you, having both lights on is where it's at. Of course, the beam pattern on the high is too much at full power for oncoming drivers. Hence, where dimming the high beam can lessen the impact while still casting some light up above the sharp cutoff of the factory low beam. No, this is not legal. But neither are the HID and LED bulbs many riders use...
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Post by ghostrider1127 on Dec 16, 2018 6:22:53 GMT -7
A chap has done this in the UK. Basically bridged the running lamp the main beam feeds with a 24-27 ohm 1W resistor. What this does is feeds the main beam with 12v at a reduced current so it comes on but not at full power. Lowering the resistance will increase the brightness. As there is no messing with lamps and switches you restain the main beam coming on a full power when switched. This is as cost effective and legal solution as you will get. A 24 ohm resistor should cost you no more than 25c. We're working on something similar, but a bit more involved. The resistor trick works, but it requires the rider to consciously switch the high beam on each time they ride, and it's never going to get to full bright unless the resistor is removed. Our solution will be plug and play to give a reduced output high beam all the time and full output when switched (i.e. normal operation). I´m the "chap" who did the trick (yep , another time me ) Think you have not much clue about what i did more than one year ago on the Mt10 (and longer before for tracer 900 and R1 rn32) So let me explain. Nope , you do not need to switch the hi-beam On each time you ride ; both the lights will be on , difficult to image how you arrive at that idea ... Nope 2.0 , you are getting the full bright even with the resistor fitted . A plug and play solution will be 7 cm of wires , two connectors and a resistors. easy and cheap to do . If you need more infos feel free to ask . For people interested in DYI , here : link to the topic mt10ukoc-forum.boards.net/thread/254/double-lights-on?page=2
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Post by stoltecmoto on Dec 16, 2018 9:53:28 GMT -7
We're working on something similar, but a bit more involved. The resistor trick works, but it requires the rider to consciously switch the high beam on each time they ride, and it's never going to get to full bright unless the resistor is removed. Our solution will be plug and play to give a reduced output high beam all the time and full output when switched (i.e. normal operation). I´m the "chap" who did the trick (yep , another time me ) Think you have not much clue about what i did more than one year ago on the Mt10 (and longer before for tracer 900 and R1 rn32) So let me explain. Nope , you do not need to switch the hi-beam On each time you ride ; both the lights will be on , difficult to image how you arrive at that idea ... Nope 2.0 , you are getting the full bright even with the resistor fitted . A plug and play solution will be 7 cm of wires , two connectors and a resistors. easy and cheap to do . If you need more infos feel free to ask . For people interested in DYI , here : link to the topic mt10ukoc-forum.boards.net/thread/254/double-lights-on?page=2Does your wiring allow for both low and high beam operation?
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Post by ghostrider1127 on Dec 16, 2018 10:47:28 GMT -7
Status of the mod.
Bike running = Low beam on + high beam dimmed switching to High beam on or to passing = Low beam on + high beam On
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Post by cooky on Oct 1, 2019 12:28:16 GMT -7
I´m the "chap" who did the trick (yep , another time me ) Think you have not much clue about what i did more than one year ago on the Mt10 (and longer before for tracer 900 and R1 rn32) So let me explain. Nope , you do not need to switch the hi-beam On each time you ride ; both the lights will be on , difficult to image how you arrive at that idea ... Nope 2.0 , you are getting the full bright even with the resistor fitted . A plug and play solution will be 7 cm of wires , two connectors and a resistors. easy and cheap to do . If you need more infos feel free to ask . For people interested in DYI , here : link to the topic mt10ukoc-forum.boards.net/thread/254/double-lights-on?page=2Does your wiring allow for both low and high beam operation?
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